Comments on: Open Letter to Steve Jobs – Don’t Forget The Pro Users http://pravdam.com/2009/06/21/open-letter-to-steve-jobs-dont-forget-the-pro-users/ Pravda on Media, Technology, and Rebel Filmmaking Sun, 06 Nov 2011 16:07:39 +0000 hourly 1 By: The Editblog » Linkage: July 09 http://pravdam.com/2009/06/21/open-letter-to-steve-jobs-dont-forget-the-pro-users/comment-page-1/#comment-47624 The Editblog » Linkage: July 09 Sat, 18 Jul 2009 13:13:39 +0000 http://pravdam.com/?p=1445#comment-47624 [...] kfirpravda wrote an open letter to Steve Jobs: Don’t Forget The Pro Users. [...] [...] kfirpravda wrote an open letter to Steve Jobs: Don’t Forget The Pro Users. [...]

]]> By: Simon http://pravdam.com/2009/06/21/open-letter-to-steve-jobs-dont-forget-the-pro-users/comment-page-1/#comment-46829 Simon Sun, 21 Jun 2009 22:31:27 +0000 http://pravdam.com/?p=1445#comment-46829 Excellent letter, Kfir. I don't personally use the Express Card slot, but I saw no reason to remove it from the "Pro" line of computers. It seems the MacBook Pros took a step down, rather than the MacBooks taking a step up. Apple can't leave these Pro users out in the cold--they are some of the most powerful, and vocal, proponents of the company. Excellent letter, Kfir. I don't personally use the Express Card slot, but I saw no reason to remove it from the “Pro” line of computers. It seems the MacBook Pros took a step down, rather than the MacBooks taking a step up. Apple can't leave these Pro users out in the cold–they are some of the most powerful, and vocal, proponents of the company.

]]> By: Kfir Pravda http://pravdam.com/2009/06/21/open-letter-to-steve-jobs-dont-forget-the-pro-users/comment-page-1/#comment-46825 Kfir Pravda Sun, 21 Jun 2009 21:56:08 +0000 http://pravdam.com/?p=1445#comment-46825 Guys, I am sure there are technical ways to bypass this issue. However, the question is bigger than HDV - Is Apple Still Committed to its Pro Users? Guys, I am sure there are technical ways to bypass this issue. However, the question is bigger than HDV – Is Apple Still Committed to its Pro Users?

]]> By: Josh http://pravdam.com/2009/06/21/open-letter-to-steve-jobs-dont-forget-the-pro-users/comment-page-1/#comment-46824 Josh Sun, 21 Jun 2009 21:45:28 +0000 http://pravdam.com/?p=1445#comment-46824 Yes, you can daisy chain, but that only solves part of the problem. The problem Kfir is revering to is bandwidth. A single firewire port isn't thick enough to both pull HDV from a camera and push it to a hard drive at the same time.<br><br>However, you can capture to your internal drive, and then copy the footage to an external drive afterwards. But that adds time and the possibility of error to the workflow.<br><br>This may prove to be a false premise, since the previous MacBook Pros shared the firewire bus and have no problems capturing HDV footage using both ports...<br><br>In any case, Kfir is absolutely correct in that the new 15" MacBook Pro is not a true professional machine since it has no way to expand the capabilities of the computer beyond what is already in the box. In most cases, expandability = professional (consider point & shoot cameras vs. slr, or a honda civic vs. a formula 1, or blogspot vs. wordpress) Yes, you can daisy chain, but that only solves part of the problem. The problem Kfir is revering to is bandwidth. A single firewire port isn't thick enough to both pull HDV from a camera and push it to a hard drive at the same time.

However, you can capture to your internal drive, and then copy the footage to an external drive afterwards. But that adds time and the possibility of error to the workflow.

This may prove to be a false premise, since the previous MacBook Pros shared the firewire bus and have no problems capturing HDV footage using both ports…

In any case, Kfir is absolutely correct in that the new 15″ MacBook Pro is not a true professional machine since it has no way to expand the capabilities of the computer beyond what is already in the box. In most cases, expandability = professional (consider point & shoot cameras vs. slr, or a honda civic vs. a formula 1, or blogspot vs. wordpress)

]]> By: Jon Chappell http://pravdam.com/2009/06/21/open-letter-to-steve-jobs-dont-forget-the-pro-users/comment-page-1/#comment-46823 Jon Chappell Sun, 21 Jun 2009 21:42:58 +0000 http://pravdam.com/?p=1445#comment-46823 Although prior models had multiple Firewire ports, these were connected to the same bus, meaning it was exactly the same as daisychaining. So there's no loss there in terms of performance.<br><br>However, if you did want an extra Firewire bus for more heavy-duty HD codecs, with the older laptops you could just add an ExpressCard, and it is this loss on the newer machines that has hit pro users the most.<br><br>What Apple fails to realize is that we WANT to give them our money, if only they'd give us a laptop we could use. Although prior models had multiple Firewire ports, these were connected to the same bus, meaning it was exactly the same as daisychaining. So there's no loss there in terms of performance.

However, if you did want an extra Firewire bus for more heavy-duty HD codecs, with the older laptops you could just add an ExpressCard, and it is this loss on the newer machines that has hit pro users the most.

What Apple fails to realize is that we WANT to give them our money, if only they'd give us a laptop we could use.

]]> By: Robot55 http://pravdam.com/2009/06/21/open-letter-to-steve-jobs-dont-forget-the-pro-users/comment-page-1/#comment-46819 Robot55 Sun, 21 Jun 2009 20:45:47 +0000 http://pravdam.com/?p=1445#comment-46819 cool post.<br>Just 1 comment regarding:<br>>>Now it is impossible to capture HDV with 15″ Macbook Pro - one needs <br>>>two FW ports for that (one for the camera and one for a fast hard disk), <br><br>what do you mean?<br>Why cant you daisychain?<br>FireWire standard should allow up to 63 devices (if memory serves) to be daisychained on to 1 port and have them all working simultaneously.<br>Have you tried it?<br>Or does some specific mac/finalcut error occurs? cool post.
Just 1 comment regarding:
>>Now it is impossible to capture HDV with 15″ Macbook Pro – one needs
>>two FW ports for that (one for the camera and one for a fast hard disk),

what do you mean?
Why cant you daisychain?
FireWire standard should allow up to 63 devices (if memory serves) to be daisychained on to 1 port and have them all working simultaneously.
Have you tried it?
Or does some specific mac/finalcut error occurs?

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