Comments on: The Latest Meme – Apple Bashing

By: jody

jody — Wed, 19 Aug 2009 21:26:26 +0000

Thank you. Nobody is forcing anyone to buy Apple products. If you like it, buy it. If not, go buy your Microsoft products, or any other brand. The world runs on both Mac and PC. My preference is Mac, but is still work on 4 PC's during the week. Can't we all just get along?

By: EyeView

EyeView — Thu, 13 Aug 2009 17:00:51 +0000

Dude! You can say what you like about Apple, but why'd you have to bash Waterworld. That movie was awesome and KC is a superstar... with gills!

On a more serious point, I own no Apple products and tend to veer away from them when given the choice. Here are some of my reasons.

iTunes. It's messed up. It messes with my mp3s and it looks awful. I don't want a device which forces me to use a certain kind of software to synch up. My mp3 players (Archos and Creative) are drag and drop and they easily play the avi files that I bittorrent.

Also, how can a global company get away with charging 99 cents for a track in the US and 99 pence for the same track in the UK. That actually is evil. I don't live in either the UK or the US but I'm penalized because I don't have a US bank account.

Finally, the iPhone. I think they look sexy as hell although I'm happy without one. Nevertheless, the decision in the US to only offer them through one company (and a crappy one at that) just puts me off the brand. It's a silly way to make more money prior to launch which alienates people tied in to other service providers or forces them to pay a penalty. Arrington's pushback several years later is the legitimate response to a decision that Apple made at launch that was based on money and not customer satisfaction.

By: kfirpravda

kfirpravda — Thu, 13 Aug 2009 16:34:44 +0000

3 – this is not accurate. the dictionary was pulled back due to the fact that the developer refused to wait for 17+ rating to be implemented in the store – Schiller emailed the devs personally about it.
You are interested in developing for iPhone cause you believe there is money there.
I am not an Apple lover – I am an experience, usability and creativity junkie. Apple products provide me higher value than their competitors in these fields, and that's why I buy their products.
Every company protects its business model, unless it is managed by lemmings.
I didn't say that Android is an inferior platform – I said the opposite – it will have more users and more apps.
Open vs. closed ecosystem in my opinion is a strategic business decision, not a moral one. It might be that Apple is losing their innovation by doing so, but they were able to reboot two segments – MP3 players and smartphones, so they are probably doing something right.

By: kfirpravda

kfirpravda — Thu, 13 Aug 2009 16:05:26 +0000

Agree with both points. Apple is missing a major point with the app store, and they will suffer if they lose the dev community.

By: Udi

Udi — Thu, 13 Aug 2009 16:01:14 +0000

you are over simplifying.

1. awesome.
2. yes.
3. 3 -> leading to their value, no nude, no bikini, no swearing (did you know that they killed a dictionary app simply coz it has swearing as some of the words in the dictionary, people could look the work FUCK… oh no)
4. apple should do nothing, i will do something, i will wait until the market share of other possibilities will grow enough for me to make a profit developing for other platforms and then i will drop the iPhone.

think of this.
i can invest tons of time working on an iphone app and then get rejected.
why?
i dont know, since they dont publish the criteria, its a black box, that wrong for me.

you, as an apple lover, are missing on tons of apps that might have been your favorite simply becoz they threat apple business model. you love it, you protect this view, go ahead and enjoy it, i want to consume whatever i want and i am willing to use an “inferior” platform like android that represents my need for openness better.

its just a question of what you feel is important, no one is forcing anyone to choose one way or the other.

By: PooFar

PooFar — Thu, 13 Aug 2009 15:53:59 +0000

Well, it's extreme but that's what first came in to my mind. Google is forced to live in Apple universe because they still have a major share of users. They can't just not develop for iPhone, because they would be dissing a big share of users.

For an average developer it might be wise choice to skip developing on the iPhone because you can't really know what you can or can't do. For a company as big as Google that just isn't an option, they have their users to please.

When Apples AppStore policy is in the way of innovation, then they're going in to wrong direction…

By: kfirpravda

kfirpravda — Thu, 13 Aug 2009 15:52:18 +0000

How did American values get into the mix? And you want to develop for Google, the guys who help the Chinese government
So you are saying something very simple:
1. Apple create awesome products
2. These products have a valuable ecosystem
3. Apple wants to manage it in a way that they will control the experience and the value derived from it (funny people – they want to make money)
4. So Apple should change their policy to fit your needs
Right?
If anything, Apple is very good in creating products that people covet, and willing to pay a tax for it. It is not a dictatorship, you are not forced to buy their product – and most people don't buy them.

By: kfirpravda

kfirpravda — Thu, 13 Aug 2009 15:45:16 +0000

mmmm… I believe it is a bit extreme to compare women oppression to banning Google Voice from iPhones… you know, these women don't have a choice, Google is a billion dollars company, and you are not forced to use iPhone or to develop for it….

By: Udi

Udi — Thu, 13 Aug 2009 15:44:21 +0000

What you are saying is the since apple is so cool we must bow down to every whim or just stop using their service.
reality is different. if i want to compete in this market with my service i must make it “appleable” since apple did such a wonderful job in making an amazing product.
making it appleable means not doing apps that violate all american values.
if you believe that its ok, good for you. i want alternatives.
I am not bitching, this is the eco system and i have to work within it. but when Android will hit the market with a mature version, it will crush the AppStore since so many americans dont want american values in their apps.
i will be one of those moving to away from apple as fast as possible when i have the chance.

By: PooFar

PooFar — Thu, 13 Aug 2009 15:36:23 +0000

The first analogy what comes to mind about Apples policy on AppStore and the way you think it's OK is like saying that it's alright for in some countries to oppress women because it's just how their culture is…